The Claim the Runner Started Before the Shot (Claims)
:::caution Attributed claims only This item fails on its own arithmetic, and this page says so rather than presenting it as an open question. The calculation assumes constant velocity from a standing start, which is physically wrong. Jeffrey Gray is a living public official who has been accused of nothing and charged with nothing; the passage below levels an accusation of criminal conduct at him with no evidence, and we reproduce its substance only to rebut it. Tyler Robinson is charged, not convicted. :::
Claim snapshot
| Field | Value |
|---|---|
| The claim | Released rooftop video was trimmed to begin at 12:23:34, by which point the runner was already 60 feet from the perch; back-extrapolating puts his start at 12:23:28 — two seconds before the 12:23:30 hit — making the shot "literally impossible" |
| Exact time in window | 12:23:28 PM MT (claimed start of the run); the video begins 12:23:34 |
| Raised by | An unattributed passage in the investigation file, under the heading "Ran before shot. Roof top." Related timestamped stills posted by @GrayHuze (Gray Hughes Investigates) |
| First surfaced | Undated in source |
| Rests on | Anonymous post — an unsigned passage containing an arithmetic argument, with no video file, no measurement method, and no author |
| Evidence rating | SPECULATIVE |
What is alleged
The passage argues that the rooftop-view video files released to the public were deliberately trimmed to start at 12:23:34 p.m., and that this trim point was chosen because by that moment the runner had already covered 60 feet from the shooting perch. It then reasons backwards: the runner is said to visibly cover 220 feet in 15 seconds from the 12:23:34 timestamp; dividing that out gives a rate; applying that rate to the missing 60 feet gives roughly six seconds; subtracting six seconds from 12:23:34 puts the start of the run at 12:23:28. Since the file elsewhere fixes the hit at 12:23:30, the passage concludes the runner "took off RUNNING early making that shot literally impossible."
From that conclusion it makes a further leap, asserting that Utah County District Attorney Jeffrey Gray and UVU are "deliberately hiding" the rooftop-view video files, and that it is "criminal to deliberately and willfully hide information while pressing forward with charges against Tyler." No evidence of any kind is offered for the claim that anything was withheld, let alone withheld criminally. That accusation is unsupported, and this site does not adopt it.
Separately, @GrayHuze (Gray Hughes Investigates) has posted surveillance stills bearing the timestamps 12:23:29, 12:23:34, 12:23:45 and 12:23:54, which the file describes as mapping movement from the shooting position to the northeast corner of the Losee Center in about 25 seconds. Those stills sit oddly with the passage's thesis rather than supporting it: they include a frame at 12:23:29, which is before the trim point the passage says conceals everything.
The ordinary explanation
Lead with the math, because the math is where this dies. Back-extrapolation from an observed average speed to a start time is only valid if the subject was moving at that speed the whole time. Sprinters are not. A human accelerating from a standing start covers the first 60 feet far more slowly than his eventual average — the opening steps are the slowest part of any sprint, and elite sprinters need roughly 30 to 60 metres just to reach top speed. Rewinding at the average rate therefore over-credits the runner for those first 60 feet and places his start too early. Correcting for acceleration pushes the start comfortably after 12:23:30 and the "impossibility" evaporates. This is not a subtle objection; it is the difference between a linear model and a physical one.
The trimming complaint is equally weak. Video released in connection with an active capital prosecution is routinely clipped to the relevant action, and a clip that starts four seconds after a shot is the least remarkable editorial decision imaginable. It is also self-defeating as an argument: if the release were engineered to hide a start before 12:23:30, the released material would not contain a 12:23:29 frame — and per @GrayHuze, it does.
Finally, the item contradicts the investigation file's own timeline. That timeline places the figure prone in a firing position at 12:22 and firing at 12:23, then standing and running north. Both accounts cannot be true. The file never reconciles them, and nothing about that failure implicates anyone in a cover-up. It means two claims were compiled without being checked against each other.
What would settle it
- Obtain the complete, untrimmed rooftop camera files with their native timestamps and frame rate, through the court's discovery process rather than by assertion.
- Have a qualified analyst measure the runner's motion with an acceleration model, not a constant-velocity rewind.
- Establish what the released clip's start time actually is and who chose it, on the record.
- Reconcile the 12:23:28 claim against the file's own 12:22 prone-position entry. One of them is wrong.
Interesting In This Area
- The limp vanishes at 12:22 in the same compiled timeline.
- The state withheld rooftop video, which defence filings reportedly pressed for.
- Selective 4K release is the same complaint aimed at federal handling.
- An uncalled roof eyewitness reportedly never testified about what he saw.
Interesting In Other Areas
- Rooftop video trimmed is the cover-up section's version of this trim claim.
- Frame counting puts ten or eleven running steps across the same roof.
- UVU surveillance holds the HD originals that would settle the start frame.
- The 12:23 shooting time is the anchor every extrapolation depends on.
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Read thisSources
- Investigation file, section "Ran before shot. Roof top." — unattributed; no author, no video, no URL.
- @GrayHuze (Gray Hughes Investigates), timestamped surveillance stills at 12:23:29 / 12:23:34 / 12:23:45 / 12:23:54 — https://x.com/GrayHuze/status/2044131420956963292
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