The Shot Time: 12:23 or 12:27? (Claims)
A four-minute discrepancy would matter enormously to any reconstruction offered at the Tyler Robinson proceedings, since the state's movement timeline is anchored to the earlier figure.
:::caution Attributed claims only This is an internal question the investigation file asks about itself, not an allegation against anyone. A four-minute spread between an early report and a video-anchored time is routine in the first hours after a shooting. The 12:27 figure has no identified source, so there may be no genuine official conflict here at all. :::
Claim snapshot
| Field | Value |
|---|---|
| The claim | Two different shot times appear in the record — 12:23 and 12:27 — and the file cannot say which report is correct |
| Exact time in window | 12:23:30 PM MT (the file's settled figure); 12:27 PM MT is the disputed alternative |
| Raised by | The investigation file's own author, as an open question to himself |
| First surfaced | Undated in source |
| Rests on | Secondhand hearsay — an unidentified "another report"; no outlet, document, or link is named for the 12:27 figure |
| Evidence rating | THIN |
What is alleged
The investigation file poses the question directly, in its own voice: "Killed: 12:23 (12:27) MT noon. Another report says he was shot 12:23 MT. Which is correct?" It is a note the compiler wrote to himself after encountering two numbers and being unable to reconcile them from the material in front of him.
He then answers it — and the way he answers it is the most useful thing on this page. He resolves the conflict by movement, not by authority: "Jumping off roof: He was already jumping off roof before 12:27. He was jumping off roof 12:23." In other words, the rooftop figure's departure is fixed on video, and if the figure had already left the roof before 12:27, the shot cannot have occurred at 12:27. The later time is excluded by the physical sequence, regardless of which report said what.
Everywhere else in the file the matter is settled and consistent. The shot is recorded as 12:23:30 p.m. MDT, with the conversion given as 12:23 p.m. MDT → 18:23:00 UTC, and that figure anchors the file's own second-by-second reconstruction, which begins "START 12:23:30 PM Utah Time 00:00 Charlie Shot." The 12:23:30 time is not in dispute in any other section.
What the file never does is identify the 12:27 source. There is no outlet named, no headline quoted, no dispatch log referenced, no link. The number appears in parentheses and is never traced. That absence is the reason this item is rated THIN rather than treated as a live conflict: a conflict requires two sources, and only one of them can be produced.
The ordinary explanation
Early reporting on a mass-casualty or high-profile shooting carries times from a half-dozen incompatible clocks, and they never match. A wire desk writing in the first minutes will publish a rounded minute rather than a precise second. A dispatch log records when a call was answered, not when the event happened. A witness quoting his watch or phone is reporting a device that may be seconds or minutes off. A newsroom converting from Mountain to Eastern under deadline pressure introduces its own errors. A four-minute spread between the earliest report and the eventually video-anchored time is entirely unremarkable — it is what the first hour of any breaking story looks like.
There is also a real possibility that no official ever said 12:27 at all. The number may be a garbled secondhand repetition — someone's summary of someone else's summary, an OCR slip, a transposition, or a confusion with a different timestamp in the same sequence, such as the SUV's departure or an early hospital marker. Because the file does not say where it came from, that possibility cannot be excluded, and it is at least as likely as an official contradiction. The honest reading is that the file recorded a stray number, could not source it, wrote itself a question, and answered the question correctly on the physical evidence.
What would settle it
- Identify the specific report that gives 12:27. Until an outlet, document, or broadcast is named, there is nothing to reconcile.
- Obtain the official time of the shot as stated in the charging documents and the medical examiner's record.
- Pull the UVU camera and livestream files with embedded timestamps and confirm the 12:23:30 figure independently.
- Confirm the clock synchronization of each recording device — livestream, campus cameras, and dispatch — since each may drift.
Interesting In This Area
- Farnsworth reportedly says he is dead at 12:24:36 by the file's clock.
- The first radio report lands at 12:26, two and a half minutes later.
- N1098L's low pass is pinned to 12:24 by ADS-B, not testimony.
- Acoustic analysis from the south offers an independent clock on the same seconds.
Interesting In Other Areas
- The 12:23 shooting time is now the video-anchored figure everything else references.
- Eyewitness mobile video carries phone clocks that drift by seconds or minutes.
- The roof timeline fixes the figure's departure before 12:27, excluding the later time.
- Canon XA55 audio is uncompressed 48kHz, which resolves timing phone codecs smear.
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- Investigation file, "Day of Shooting" section: "Killed: 12:23 (12:27) MT noon. Another report says he was shot 12:23 MT. Which is correct?" — the 12:27 source is never identified.
- Investigation file: "12:23 p.m. MDT → 18:23:00 UTC. The shot was fired at 12:23 p.m. MDT, when Charlie Kirk was speaking at an event at Utah Valley University."
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Interesting
- A closed Fort Huachuca task force meeting the day before, per a whistleblower.
- A FARA filing dated eight days after the killing reportedly covers messaging integration into Salem Media properties.
- One witness reportedly says the FBI told him to erase his close-up footage, then phoned to confirm.