UVU GRAMA Records Show Pre-Shooting Warnings (Claims)
:::caution Attributed claims only Universities field walk-ins, tips, and message requests before every major political event, and the overwhelming majority mean nothing. The items below are drawn from records reportedly obtained under Utah's public-records law and are presented as documented facts about the paperwork plus open questions about what they mean. No official named here has been charged with or found to have committed any wrongdoing. :::
These flags were reportedly raised in the final day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated on campus, which is why the paperwork trail is read alongside the broader record of what was not preserved.
Claim snapshot
| Field | Value |
|---|---|
| The claim | UVU records reportedly show two separate pre-shooting flags, both dismissed or undocumented, plus significant preparedness gaps |
| Raised by | Daily Caller News Foundation (GRAMA request); @danksterintel |
| First surfaced | April 15, 2026 |
| Rests on | Document — 50 documents / 112 pages produced under GRAMA |
| Evidence rating | MODERATE — the strongest documentary item in this section |
What is alleged
A Daily Caller News Foundation GRAMA request reportedly produced 50 documents across 112 pages. Within them, an internal message timestamped 10:35 PM on September 9, 2025 — roughly fourteen hours before the shooting — reportedly reads: "Everyone from Event Services who reports to me just came to my office letting me know that two senators are coming tomorrow. He said that two people showed up at their offices asking to talk to police about a plan. Said they got them to police. If this is indeed true we do need to notify." Staff reportedly considered it serious enough to notify the university cabinet. Forty-four minutes later, at 11:19 PM, someone reportedly replied that the two men "are NOT from a senator's office. They are GOP reps who played like they knew more than they did!" The names are redacted. Those raising it note that nobody in the chat asked what the plan was, and that no record documents what the two men told police. (Document references cited: UVU 25-330:0023, 0024, 0079, 0080.)
Separately, an email reportedly sent at 2:23 PM on September 9 through UVU Police Chief Jeff Long's communication chain, under the subject line "FYI," reads: "He wants us to get a message to Charlie Kirk. His phone number is [REDACTED]." The requester's name and number are redacted, and whether the message was delivered is reportedly not documented anywhere in the 112 pages.
The production reportedly also shows that Orem Police Department emailed UVU the ticket link on September 3 under the subject "Charlie Kirk Tickets," despite reportedly saying afterward it was "not involved," and that the UVU-funded joint Public Order Unit — designed for exactly this kind of event — was never activated. On the day itself: the first campus alert, 19 minutes after the shooting, reportedly falsely stated "suspect in custody"; the Run-Hide-Fight alert sent 88 minutes after reportedly still carried placeholder text reading "Shooter in [INSERT location]". Reportedly six campus officers covered a crowd the chief later put at 3,000, with no on-site ambulance and no active-shooter training for faculty. UVU has reportedly acknowledged that additional documents exist and declined to release them, citing state exemptions for privacy and "security of public property."
Pre-event warnings are also the thread that former NCTC director Joe Kent has raised at the national level — he has said on the record that people posted online before September 10 that Kirk would die that day, which he calls a strong indication that something more was at play.
The ordinary explanation
Campus offices field a steady stream of walk-ins claiming inside knowledge before any high-profile political event, and staff triage them constantly. The in-chat resolution — that the two men were GOP reps overstating their access — is the boring, ordinary answer, and it is precisely why nobody chased it further: someone checked, found the men were not who they were claimed to be, and the thread ended. That is what a false alarm looks like in a document trail. The "message to Charlie Kirk" email is likewise the sort of request a public university receives weekly from constituents, donors, and cranks alike, and there is rarely a paper record of a phone number being passed along or not.
The preparedness items have well-documented mundane explanations too. Six sworn officers plus contracted event security for an outdoor campus event is within normal staffing, and no jurisdiction stages an ambulance at every campus speech. A placeholder left in an alert template and a premature "suspect in custody" line are among the best-documented failure modes of emergency mass-notification systems under acute stress — they show a rattled operator, not a script. And Utah's GRAMA exemptions for privacy and security are routinely applied to third-party names during an active capital prosecution; withholding a redacted name mid-trial is the default, not a tell.
What would settle it
- Appeal the withheld portion of the production and obtain the remaining documents UVU acknowledges exist.
- Identify the two men who walked in on September 9 — via the redacted names or the police contact reportedly made — and ask what they said.
- Obtain the UVU Police report or CAD entry for that September 9 contact, which would show whether anything was documented at all.
- Obtain the Orem PD records on the joint Public Order Unit — why it was not activated, and how the September 3 ticket email squares with "not involved."
Interesting In This Area
- A group reportedly blocked security from reaching the table on the day.
- Butch Hibbs is the access question raised about the same campus.
- Six officers and no ambulance is the staffing figure this production supports.
- Pre-event posts are the other September 9 material investigators flag.
Interesting In Other Areas
- UVU GRAMA records is the cover-up reading of the same production.
- Perimeter and rooftop failures are what the staffing numbers translate into.
- UVU surveillance holds footage the records reference but do not include.
- UVU denied security drones, per TPUSA's own account.
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The Sept 9 Posts, and Whether Their Author Was Ever Interviewed (Claims)
Two posts dated September 9, 2025 from a student account, recirculated ten months later with one question attached: was the author ever interviewed? The account identity is redacted here, and no accusation is made against anyone.
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Dan Flood Scrubbed From the TPUSA Site (Claims)
Web archives reportedly show Dan Flood listed as a TPUSA officer on September 1, 2025 and gone afterward with no announcement. A head of security whose principal was killed on his watch leaving quietly is the most predictable outcome imaginable.
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UVU Records Redacted and Pre-Event Warnings Buried (Claims)
A records request returned roughly fifty documents: two men warning campus police the night before, an email trying to reach Charlie, and an alert failure — with every name blacked out. The university reportedly holds more and has declined to release them.
Read this
Six campus officers, no thorough rooftop inspection, and a prone all-black figure reportedly on the same roof an hour before the shot. The clearest physical security failure under any theory of the killing.
Read thisThe campus system is the backbone of the probable-cause affidavit — a first capture near 11:50 AM, a pause at the tunnel stairs, the Losee doors at 12:02. What it never captured is anything settling how Charlie Kirk was killed.
Read thisSix campus officers, perimeter duty, and no security drone — that is the documented deployment for September 10. The university runs its own drone program; it was not used to protect the event.
Read thisSources
- @danksterintel: https://x.com/danksterintel/status/2044300845609824305
- Daily Caller News Foundation GRAMA records request — 50 documents, 112 pages (UVU 25-330:0023, 0024, 0079, 0080)
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